Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

The Duke of Waltham wrote:

To make a long story short, no language is perfect.

Every single one of them has been invented and developed by humans.

But I do not wish to go astray and lead this topic into damnation. What about numbers? Why can't ranks be indicated by numbers? They are perfectly gender free.

They have very poor poetical qualities though, but there could be a secret sub forum for those who wish to manufacture custom theories about each number and thus every rank. That would allow the elite to mock with the plebs in secret. It would create a godlike community, and by evolving so it could bring ancient times back in a digital environment. Sarcasm Society could be the new Olympus and I could be Hades.

If life is so wonderful, than why do we all die eventually?

Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

It's not just the lack of poetical qualities. We'd lose all the "Lollipop Guild" jokes. *shudders*

Dead Kermit wrote:

Sarcasm Society could be the new Olympus and I could be Hades.

Two thumbs up.

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Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

So are we to have two forums?

"Conspiracy theories can only thrive in the minds of people who are predisposed to believe them."

Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

Don't be ridiculous, patheticjerk. We shall have at least five.

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Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

So after a few minutes of looking over the Archives I figured out that we may only post in the General Sarcasm section. What is the meaning of this?

I may have to write my representative.

"Conspiracy theories can only thrive in the minds of people who are predisposed to believe them."

Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

I suggest you have your ophthalmologist write out a prescription for you instead. You are a Guildsman, namely a member with full powers; you fulfilled the criteria for transferral of account.

I wonder whether one can appeal that decision.

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Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

I'm really not a big fan of bending over backwards just to be politically correct. I think Journeyer is a perfectly acceptable title, and so is Master. Once a member has reached the level of master, they are free to change their title anyway, so they can change it to Mistress if they so choose.

The more important thing is the Charter at this point.

This too shall pass.

Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

May I suggest that we add a "Sarcasm Tuts" forum for those who want to understand and use sarcasm, but don't quite know how? People could post links to resources not readily available on search engines, or offer their own tuppence, and those who want to learn can ask all the stupid questions they want.

We were human too.

Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

I can certainly see its use, and it would also make the concept of Apprentice more tangible. I think I like it.

I wonder whether one of those links could not be to the Sarcasm Society website itself; there is no link to it right now. This could be temporary, as I see lots of changes there. The site is shaping up nicely, but it needs a good copy-edit. I'm willing to help if asked (maybe V just wants some time to finish it; I know I take some things very slowly).

Last edited by The Duke of Waltham (2009-09-28 08:08:36)

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Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

Gentlemen, and gentlewomen, should there be any more females aside from me in this forum, I must say, it truly is nice to see that you have worked soo hard to consult females on the matter of the titles.

Now, regarding the gender matter, I must say I approve. Simply because four of the titles: Apprentice, Journeyer, Master and Grandmaster fit both genders. Also, since Guildswoman just sounds plain stupid, Guildsman must be used.

Ladies, if you do not like what I mean, bite me. Or sue me. Please do not do both, one is more than enough.

Basically, I approve of what rotten gentlemen have written, even if they could try a teeny tiny little bit better next time.

Go on, get out - last words are for fools who haven't said enough. - Karl Marx

Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

...and afterall, if one does not like the male bias in the ranking system then one has the option of not participating in the forum.  How does one have their account removed?

(Oh, and in reply to Dukes question sometime back in this thread I speak French, Spanish and English, the latter being my native tongue, which does give me an understanding of it which is greater than his.)

Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

I didn't say I understand English better than a native speaker, and I do not believe that I ever shall; I merely indicated that knowing different languages well helps one see similarities and differences, which I think is a fair point. Some of the grammatical differences are pretty interesting and can present unexpected difficulties in areas like book translation, where one would think that the vocabulary differences are much more important. For example, the Greek equivalent of "he washes" does not specify gender, while "someone" does, and for generic usage we use the masculine form. (I am sure this can cause problems when translating mystery novels.) Nobody seems to object; it's just the way things are. We need a default, and that's the one we use.

Perhaps trying to apply such logic on the English language is a fallacy, but I do know that the matter of gender-neutral language, at least in certain areas, is controversial and in no way decided one way or another. Languages evolve, but they do so slowly, and there is resistance at every stage, be it due to familiarity with the old forms or for other reasons. I personally seem to be more resistant to change than the average for my age (and I am referring to linguistic change here, because I harbour no racist or sexist feelings, partly due to the curious circumstances of my upbringing), but in this particular case I am also expressing a dislike for the sanitisation of history.

To repeat my main view, I consider it perfectly reasonable, and probably necessary, to adapt common words to their modern needs, and to consider both sexes when creating new ones. But we are using historical terms here, and I do not like changing these. I am saddened to see Random leave—after all, he is one of our oldest members, and we've had lots of good moments here—and I understand that this matter may be close to his heart. But I do not care for insinuations about our moral values from a man who ought to know better. It's an artistic choice, not a dismissal of one-half of human population, which I'll agree with anyone who asks that is contemptible. And, in any case, if more women wanted to comment on the names, they could have done so.

On the matter of the deletion, I do not believe that any account with posts ought to be deleted, due to the gaps that would cause in discussions. We say we'll delete bad-quality posts in the new forum, but that should take place before they are replied to, or the replies ought to be deleted as well. An account can certainly be de-activated and indeed ought to be, to prevent any second-rate hacker from logging in and wreaking havoc, but I object to puncturing holes in old threads. Granted, even if the account is deleted, there are only two posts to be removed in this case, but I do hope that we can avoid that, as well as the precedent it would set. After all, the custom title would probably say something like "Former member" and thus indicate no connection with the ranking system.

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Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

And he's has deleted his posts. It's not altogether surprising, but we'll have to have this debate one day anyway. (Ooh, I like the rhythm of this.) Precedent is important.

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Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

So Random is leaving? I thought he was talking about de-activating or deleting greenbanana.
I did not know him much, but the crying of all you guys tells me that he was a great guy. Whenever I saw him he lloked stone cold, but always looked his Sunday best. To random, the err, a really great...guy.
*says like derek from zoolander*
"I am such a great eugoogalizer."

"Conspiracy theories can only thrive in the minds of people who are predisposed to believe them."

Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

This thread will be closed (and so will the rest of the board). Any comments should be made on the new forum (http://board.sarcasmsociety.com)

This too shall pass.

Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

Lastly, those who had moderator status on this board and would like to keep that responsibility, please email me.

This too shall pass.

Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

I don't know why, but I had thought that would happen automatically. I hope this doesn't make me look too arrogant.

One last thing (and this time probably for real), Sarcasm Society... Don't we get a red digital readout™ counting down the minutes until the forum's closure? I am seriously disappointed.

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Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

I can still post hehe. When I called you arrogant, I meant you were prejudiced.- Joe Biden

"Conspiracy theories can only thrive in the minds of people who are predisposed to believe them."

Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

The Duke of Waltham wrote:

I hope this doesn't make me look too arrogant.

When standing at zero and looking at the upper parts of a hyperbolic curve, it's hard to tell the difference between a billion and anything beyond.

If life is so wonderful, than why do we all die eventually?

Re: The Rise and Fall of SS / Upcoming Changes (suggestion thread)

*the forum opens its right eye, looks around for a few moments and then opens the other*

Why, I'm still alive!

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